“He KNEW!” - Epstein Survivor: Hollywood Trafficking, NYC Mansion & Les Wexner | Lisa Phillips • 398
Julian Dorey · 20 Mar 2026 · 1h 57m
Host: Joey Def, Julian Dorey
This conversation is with a former Ford model who describes being brought into Jeffrey Epstein's orbit as a young woman and abused by him over several years. She walks through the mechanics in granular detail: being told by her agency she 'had to' go see Epstein because of his connections, an hour-long conversation designed to make her feel special and trusted before a coerced massage, and the pattern repeating on later visits. She connects her experience to broader grooming psychology, comparing Epstein's methods to Larry Nassar's, and describes how the agency itself — including Katie Ford — allegedly funneled young women toward Epstein and other older, powerful men, including an account of being sent on a blind date with an elderly state senator who took her to a dinner seated beside Al Gore. She discusses Ghislaine Maxwell's distinct culpability as a woman recruiting other women, the fear and silence among household staff, and the industry-wide culture of powerful men and complicit agents. Later sections turn personal: her difficult marriage, raising three sons alone, estrangement from her parents after her mother allegedly took an abusive ex's side over hers, and her path through EMDR therapy to process suppressed childhood trauma. The conversation closes with speculation about Epstein's death, the withheld files, Ghislaine Maxwell's appearance, and Leslie Wexner's own documented remarks about being driven by what he called a 'dybbuk.'
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- First private meeting with Epstein
- The massage and coercion pattern
- Comparison to Larry Nassar's grooming tactics
- Ghislaine Maxwell's role and culpability
- Butler's black book tape and Acosta 'intelligence' claim
- Being sent to celebrities and directors, assault after party
- Blind date with an elderly senator, dinner with Al Gore
- Leaving modeling, starting a survivor podcast
- Marriage, single motherhood, and raising three sons
- Estrangement from her mother and family
- Wexner's 'dybbuk' remarks and cult/Satanism discussion
- Theories on Epstein's death and withheld files
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“I was not allowed to be free without me thinking he was a good a good guy that I would never turn on him or talk about him.”
“he would say, 'Oh, that's just the way Hollywood works. You have to just um you know, let the guy think you're going to sleep with him.'”