Leon Black EXPOSED: Epstein Client RUNS from Congress! | Julian Dorey • 441
Julian Dorey · 27 Jun 2026 · 1h 36m
Host: Joey Def, Julian Dorey
Julian Dorey and co-host Joey Diaz break down Leon Black's closed-door congressional testimony over his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, walking through why Black stormed out after refusing to discuss non-disclosure agreements and how that led the House Oversight Committee to issue him two subpoenas, including one compelling a sworn video deposition set for mid-July. Much of the episode leans on questions compiled by NBA reporter Henry Abbott, who has spent years investigating Black's Epstein ties, including his birthday-book poem to Epstein, contested timelines of when the two men met, and unexamined figures like Apollo's internal investigator Andrew Levander and former SEC chair Jay Clayton. The hosts read through a 2024 magazine profile in which Black downplays his relationship with Epstein while describing years of enormous payments for tax and estate advice, and they contrast that account with leaked emails using phrases like 'saving you from yourself' and 'things that will need to remain unknown.' They also cover Bill Gates' closed-door testimony suggesting Epstein ran a blackmail operation, a report that New Mexico's former attorney general was told to stand down from investigating Epstein's Zorro Ranch, the continued silence of Epstein's longtime assistant Leslie Groff, and speculation about why the Trump administration might want the Epstein files buried. The episode closes with commentary on the recent New York City mayoral primary and what it suggests about winning campaign messaging.
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- Leon Black testifies before Congress
- Henry Abbott's investigative questions for Black
- Epstein's 50th birthday book and Black's poem
- Politico report on subpoenas and NDAs
- Puck News profile: Black's own account of Epstein relationship
- Leaked emails and code words (Dechert report pushback)
- Jay Clayton's ties to Apollo and DOJ
- Civil lawsuits alleging abuse by Black
- Zorro Ranch and 'stand down' order
- Leslie Groff's limited testimony and legal fees
- NYC mayoral primary and political strategy commentary
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“I don't believe any of those guys knew that Jeffrey was a pedophile, not one of them. And I certainly didn't. I thought he was a fascinating guy.”
“Leon Black was arrogant, he was smug, he refused to answer the questions, but at the same time was emphasizing how he was being transparent because this was voluntary.”
“I knew Jekyll, but I didn't know Hyde.”