“PROOF They Lied!” - Charlie Kirk Investigator vs. Forensics Expert on COVERUP | Baron & JSM • 459
Julian Dorey · 7 Aug 2026 · 4h 17m
Guest: Baron Coleman · Host: Joey Def, Julian Dorey
This conversation brings together a long-time legal commentator who has tracked the Charlie Kirk case obsessively online and a veteran forensic pathology academic and former medical examiner investigator to walk through the physical evidence step by step. They open by questioning whether a .306-style round could plausibly stop inside the neck without exiting, given that replication tests apparently cannot reproduce that outcome, and use that as a jumping-off point for a much broader forensic walkthrough. The forensic expert explains, in granular detail, how a proper homicide investigation should handle the body, clothing, chair, platform, necklace, camera equipment, and even a discarded rifle — repeatedly returning to the idea that failing to preserve or photograph any of these items would fall below professional standard. They reconstruct a plausible autopsy timeline hour by hour, from arrival at the medical examiner's office through the Y-incision, organ removal, and skull opening, using language from a partially released autopsy report to probe unanswered questions about vertebral damage, missing bullet fragments, and the fate of the shirt and necklace. Throughout, the pair raise pointed questions about chain-of-custody breaches, unusual gaps in the timeline between death and transport, and the medical examiner's absence from the preliminary hearing, while acknowledging the legal reality that any of this will ultimately be argued as a battle of competing experts in front of a jury.
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- Guest introductions and forensic backgrounds
- Coroner vs medical examiner distinction
- Legal standard of reasonable doubt and dueling experts
- Sound analysis and witness perception of the gunshot
- Importance of preserving Kirk's shirt as evidence
- Range-of-fire determination and gunshot wound analysis
- Neck anatomy, blood vessels, and wound dynamics
- Crime scene control failures and evidence handling by bystanders
- Reconstructing the autopsy timeline hour by hour
- Reading the partially released autopsy report findings
- Analysis of the rooftop shooter video and gait
- Recovered rifle handling and missing bullet fragments
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“if you can't ever replicate it ever you can never redo I mean science is replication. If you can't replicate”
“forensics is not just merely confirmatory in the sense of finding a positive finding. Forensics is also about negative findings as well. Is there an absence of something?”
“The dead don't hemorrhage.”